Now this is classic in my opinion because I have been unable to find this rare article on the internet that was posted on Yahoo NFI board by alias Carlo_Ponzi about a black American Deutsche Bank exec named Kevin Ingram and also Howard Hill.

In case I did not mention it in my post above Howard Hill,who as you saw used to post on the same University of Colorado website as Alan Newman and James Davidson,he also posts or touts,(coincidentally),at present with Bob O'Brien or dirtydirtydeeds or ncansd3 or now the easter_bunny_d3 and Mary Campbell Helburn or 'mhelburn' and gang on the Yahoo NFI board.Bob O'Brien or 'bobo' as some of us call him pretends an exteme fear of this Kevin Ingram and claims he has been posting under alias or aliases on Yahoo NFI board and is out to get him.

Well Bob O'Brien has often pretended great fear of a Kevin Ingram a black American who apparently has past business ties to Howard Hill !!! Hill who posts as hhill doesn't seem to be afraid in the slightest nor has he ever offered any reason who 'Bobo' has any reason to be.Anyway I leave the article below mixed in with commentary of posters to give you also a flavor of the insanity of the Yahoo NFI board.



Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill
by: Carlo_Ponzi 06/28/05 09:33 pm
Msg: 318569 of 318592

Here's story about Kevin Ingram and Howard Hill (aka hhill51). Are
you targeting Kevin because he is a black man?

HEADLINE: From ARMs to Arms: Former Goldman, Deutsche MBS executive
nabbed in arms scheme

BYLINE: Christopher O'Leary (christopher.oleary@tfn.com)

BODY:
It's a sad but familiar story on Wall Street-a former top dog hauled
away in handcuffs after crossing a legal line. Yet the arrest of
former Deutsche Bank structured finance co-head Kevin Ingram on June
12 will certainly pass into Wall Street legend as the first time a
Street executive was nabbed for alleged involvement in an arms scheme
that included the sale of hand-held missiles to an unknown country.

The strangeness of the arrest left many Wall Street veterans mumbling
to themselves last week, as Ingram had been a high-profile figure in
the 1990s structured finance markets. "It's a complete shock," said
one longtime mortgage professional who had worked with Ingram for
years.

Associates who knew Ingram said they were saddened and mystified by
the news last week that someone so talented had seemingly gone so far
astray. One mortgage research head who remembered Ingram speculated
that the recent collapse of TruMarkets Inc., a bond trading Website
Ingram co-founded in 2000, might have been the trigger for Ingram's
alleged involvement in the scheme, as Ingram was rumored to have much
of his capital wrapped up in the troubled venture.

Yet according to press reports, Ingram's involvement with the scheme
stretches back to at least 1999. He is charged with planning to
launder $2.2 million this month from the proposed sale of a variety
of weapons in a sting operation run by undercover federal agents.
Ingram is reportedly planning to plead not guilty at his arraignment
next month. Ingram's lawyer, Richard Lubin of Lubin & Gano, of West
Palm Beach, Fla., did not return calls for comment by press time
Thursday.



Posted as a reply to: Msg 318529 by ncansd3

Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #2
By: Carlo_Ponzi
Date: 06/28/05 09:33 pm

Ingram's story contains elements of Aeschylean tragedy. Five years
ago, he landed a fat contract with the then-named Deutsche Morgan
Grenfell to head its mortgage-backed securities business after years
of building a reputation at Goldman Sachs, and was named one of the
top 25 African-American "movers and shakers on Wall Street" by Black
Enterprise magazine.

After a year or so of great promise and expansion at Deutsche, things
went downhill. Over the next few years Ingram was allegedly forced to
resign from Deutsche after racking up trading losses, then launched a
Website that did not get off the ground, and ultimately on June 12
was arrested at the Fort Lauderdale airport by federal agents after
reportedly accepting a bag of cash tied to the sale of Stinger
missiles.

Rising star

Ingram joined Goldman Sachs in 1987 after having graduated from the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and soon earned a reputation
for being a driven, ambitious young rising star at the firm, said
sources who served with him during that time. Over the next nine
years at Goldman, he headed trading of investment-grade structured
bonds, derivatives, collateralized mortgage obligations, commercial
mortgage-backeds and, in a strange irony, ARMs (adjustable-rate
mortgages).

His big break came in April 1996, when Deutsche won him over with
what sources said was a very lucrative contract and a mandate to
shake up the company's stagnant mortgage business. Howard Hill, who
was running Deutsche's securitized products division at the time,
soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having to share power with
Ingram.

Deutsche had developed a reputation for trafficking in more esoteric
mortgage securities and was missing the broader market where the
major shops were making most of their profits. In an interview with
IDD's sister newsletter Mortgage-Backed Securities Letter in August
1996, Ingram said his goal was to expand Deutsche's role in the
market.

"We are going to try to address the greatest customer needs," he told
the newsletter, adding that he wanted his MBS group to be "visible
and different from everyone else" and provide "a level of
sophistication equivalent to anyone on the Street."


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #3
By: Carlo_Ponzi
Date: 06/28/05 09:34 pm

Ingram went on a hiring spree, nabbing a number of former Goldman
colleagues, including Eric Bruskin and Prudential Securities' former
research head Charles Huang. In early 1997, Ingram pushed Deutsche
into the commercial mortgage market by poaching several Goldman real
estate finance veterans, including top CMBS officials Mike Offit,
Roger Wittlin, and Steve Stuart. By the end of that year, Deutsche
was underwriting billion-dollar CMBS deals and making a name for
itself in the structured finance markets.

Ingram's power was growing as well. By mid-1997 he was co-heading a
staff of 120 and reportedly earning a multi-million-dollar salary.
Veterans from the period said that Ingram was known to have expensive
tastes in luxury automobiles, including Ferraris, one associate
recalled. Also during this period, Ingram became involved with a
number of outside projects, such as the proposed renovation of
several New York nightclubs and restaurants.

Fall from grace

However, as the fixed-income markets began falling apart in mid-1998,
Deutsche's top officials had growing qualms about its involvement in
structured finance, especially as trading losses mounted from
Ingram's group. One strategy that Ingram's group pursued to build
business was to take riskier lending opportunities in a bid to win
bond underwriting business. In flush times the strategy worked, but
as the market constricted and issuer losses mounted, Deutsche was
reportedly losing "a boatload of money," said one source at Deutsche.

By November of that year, Ingram was essentially forced out and the
MBS group underwent severe layoffs, with at least a third of the
group given pink slips. The turnover was so great that today very few
people at Deutsche hail from the Ingram period, and a number had
never heard of him when news of his arrest broke.

"Deutsche was always falling in and out of love with structured
finance" in the 1990s, said one official familiar with the company.
"I don't think it was necessarily a bad month or quarter that did him
in. Rather, some bean-counter in Frankfurt said that the group's ROE
was less than its target, and it was-bang, you're dead." Tony Ryals

06/28/2005 at
8:32:51 PM




Post 164
Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #4

By: Carlo_Ponzi
Date: 06/28/05 09:34 pm

Ingram seemed to land quickly on his feet, founding TruMarkets in
mid-2000 with a former Deutsche colleague, Peter McCarthy. The site
was designed to trade a variety of securities electronically,
including derivatives and mortgage bonds.

The project seemed to have great promise, as the hype about Internet
bond trading was reaching its zenith, and Ingram lured some heavy
hitters to stock the board of directors, including Herbert Allison, a
former Merrill Lynch & Co. president known for his intellect, and
Ronald Readmond, former CEO of Charles Schwab & Co.

One mortgage veteran who saw a presentation of the TruMarkets
platform said he was impressed by the proposal, and even more
impressed by the list of investors in the project, which he said
included a number of top names in fixed-income and even some
politicians.

Yet the project stalled during development, and wound up filing for
bankruptcy in March of this year. TruMarkets was purchased by
MortgageSight Holdings LLC, a joint venture owned by Salomon Smith
Barney, Lehman Brothers Inc., Bear, Stearns & Co. and Credit Suisse
First Boston for the assumption of $2 million in debt.

Guns and money

While TruMarkets was unraveling, the government's two-and-a-half-year
sting against a pair of arms dealers operating out of Jersey City was
nearing its denouement, and Ingram was caught up in the web.

The apparent leaders of the arms smuggling operation were Diaa Moshen
and Mohammed Rajaa Malik, a.k.a. Mike Malik, who according to press
reports held multiple meetings with federal agents posing as arms
dealers in the last few years. The sting began in 1999, when Moshen
and Malik told the agents they were working on behalf of a foreign
country and were shown M-16 rifles, explosives and Stinger missiles.

Ingram's role in the recent bust began after he was approached by an
undercover agent, and then allegedly chartered a Lear jet to carry
$2.2 million in cash to Amsterdam, where it would be laundered. The
pilot, Walter Kapij, was arrested along with Ingram after agents
handed them two bags of cash at the Fort Lauderdale airport.

The case is just beginning and a long court battle is predicted, as
lawyers for Moshen are already arguing their client was a victim of
entrapment. But Street veterans said it may always be unclear just
how Ingram went from trading ARMs to trading arms, surely one of the
most bizarre falls from grace in Wall Street history.

Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
By: Carlo_Ponzi
Date: 06/28/05 09:36 pm

"Howard Hill, who was running Deutsche's securitized products
division at the time, soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having
to share power with Ingram."

I think it's important to note that Howard resigned and was not
terminated, contrary to some reports to the contrary. Tony Ryals

06/28/2005 at
8:37:03 PM




Post 165
Dialogue between 'ncansd3' and Carlo_Ponzi re the posted

article above.'O'Brien' defends the higher moral and intellectual
qualities of Howard Hill in resigning from Deutsche Bank upon arrival
of Ingram.

So indeed the Howard Hill or hhill of www.nfi-info.net is or was a
professional in the financial industry and he must surely know
something of trading U.S.securirities including penny stocks from
Germany,in my opinion.

Remember much is made by the 'naked short'
insiders that they are 'naked shorted' etc. from Germany,it could be
instead this is another site for dumping and manipulation covered by
the fraudulent claim.I wish someone could explain it all to me but
the SEC remains mum out of ignorance,apathy,or collusion,for all I
know.

Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
by: Carlo_Ponzi 06/28/05 09:36 pm
Msg: 318574 of 318606

"Howard Hill, who was running Deutsche's securitized products
division at the time, soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having
to share power with Ingram."

I think it's important to note that Howard resigned and was not
terminated, contrary to some reports to the contrary.



Posted as a reply to: Msg 318572 by Carlo_Ponzi


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
By: ncansd3
Date: 06/28/05 11:54 pm

"Hill, who was running Deutsche's securitized products division at
the time, soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having to share
power with Ingram"

Given my experience with reporters, and their fear of the truth
(rivaling only a vampire's fear of sunlight), it is difficult to
actually know what he was feeling. My hunch is that he wasn't that
bitter watching Ingram do a crash and burn with the desk's products,
and then with his own company, culminating in a lawless spree that
involved drug money (surprise) and terrorists.

I'm not sure how I'd feel if I saw a chemically addled inferior
intellect assume an equal position, likely due to nepotism and DB's
desire to seem ethnically diverse. I suppose I'd probably want
nothing to do with that organization any more, and revel in their
harsh experience with their poor choice.

But that's me. Tony Ryals

06/28/2005 at
9:15:51 PM




Post 166
Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5

by: Carlo_Ponzi 06/29/05 12:38 am
Msg: 318608 of 318608

So Hill got outed because of affirmative action? Speaking of
reporters, how is your ordeal going?



Posted as a reply to: Msg 318606 by ncansd3

Yahoo NFI mesage board. Tony Ryals

06/28/2005 at
9:42:30 PM




Post 167
more chatter from Yahoo NFI message board :

Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
by: Carlo_Ponzi 06/29/05 12:38 am
Msg: 318608 of 318735

So Hill got outed because of affirmative action? Speaking of
reporters, how is your ordeal going?



Posted as a reply to: Msg 318606 by ncansd3


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
By: Carlo_Ponzi
Date: 06/29/05 12:38 am

So Hill got outed because of affirmative action? Speaking of
reporters, how is your ordeal going?


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill #5
By: ncansd3
Date: 06/29/05 01:16 am

My sense reading the creative writing piece you so kindly excavated
was that he decided to get out of a situation that turned ugly soon
thereafter. Hindsight tells us as much. Apparently he wasn't wrong,
or even that early, unlike some participants on this board.

Kind of you to ask about my "ordeal". If you mean the snipe hunt, I
fear that snipes are as elusive as ever - nature of those types of
beasts - gryphons and unicorns and such. Kind of like Elvis
sightings. Everyone claims to have seen him recently, but it's hard
to actually know who or what was seen.

Thanks for caring.


Subj: Re: To WSJ editor Karen Miller Pensiero
By: market_genoius
Date: 06/29/05 01:54 am

For those who missed it:

hxxp://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&board=8729314&tid=nfi&sid=8729314&action=m&mid=218557


Subj: Another Classic Bobo Quote
By: fear_and_loathing_in_zzyzx
Date: 06/29/05 03:20 am

> From Bobo's blog regarding emails with Jessie Eisenger. Reponse to
> the question "Do you own stock in Overstock.com?"

"I OWNED OPTIONS FOR HALF A YEAR OR SO. LOST MONEY ON THEM WHEN THE
PRICE DROPPED, IN SPITE OF THE COMPANY'S PROFITABILITY."

Gee Bobo. What profitability are you referring to? Have you actually
looked at the company's P&L? Or is that an unnecessary step for a
stock pumper like you?


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill Connection
By: fear_and_loathing_in_zzyzx
Date: 06/29/05 03:34 am

"Howard Hill, who was running Deutsche's securitized products
division at the time, soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having
to share power with Ingram."

That is awfully convenient Bobo. Howard Hill and Ingram connected.
Who'd have believed it.

How'd you come up with that crazy Ingram story, Bobo? Did Howard give
you a little help with that imaginative tale?

Howard, what do you have to say of Bobo's incredible tale of Kevin Ingram?

Who knows. Maybe next someone will find connections between you
clowns and NFI management? It just never made sense to me that two
guys who claim to be so successful would spend over two years of
their lives incessantly pumping a stock just to be good samaritans.


Subj: Re:Kevin Ingram/Howard Hill Connection
By: fear_and_loathing_in_zzyzx
Date: 06/29/05 03:34 am

"Howard Hill, who was running Deutsche's securitized products
division at the time, soon resigned, reportedly bitter about having
to share power with Ingram."

That is awfully convenient Bobo. Howard Hill and Ingram connected.
Who'd have believed it.

How'd you come up with that crazy Ingram story, Bobo? Did Howard give
you a little help with that imaginative tale?

Howard, what do you have to say of Bobo's incredible tale of Kevin Ingram?

Who knows. Maybe next someone will find connections between you
clowns and NFI management? It just never made sense to me that two
guys who claim to be so successful would spend over two years of
their lives incessantly pumping a stock just to be good samaritans.